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Happy Monday, y’all! I’m not the only etiquette guru in the SW hen house anymore, so I thought I’d let Kristin take a stab at this month’s sticky conundrum. Please enjoy! — Emily

Friends, navigating the unwritten “rules” of bridal party etiquette can leave you about as clean as a pig in slop, am I right? The questions seemingly never end, including who to include and where to draw the line — ESPECIALLY when it comes to family. We know that so many of you struggle with this, so we were more than happy to share a recent letter from Betsy, a northern reader marrying into a Southern family:

Hi ladies!

I am recently engaged to a groom raised in the South. I was not raised in the South, and we do not live there now. He has three sisters, all of whom I do not have a personal relationship with — unfortunately, we do not live anywhere near each other. I spent a long weekend with two of them a year ago, and the other I know better, but she wasn’t exactly jumping for joy at the news of our engagement.

If it really meant a lot to my groom for his sisters to be in the wedding, I wouldn’t be writing this email, but he is solely worried that it might cause tension in the family if they are not in the wedding party. I feel that because there are so many sisters it is unfair for him to pressure me to put them in my wedding party. I really don’t want to start off my relationship with my new sisters-in-law on the wrong foot, but I am struggling with the feeling of being forced to put them in the wedding over my own family and friends because of his “Southern tradition” ploy. Please help!

Betsy

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Betsy, the good news is that I do not know of any particular Southern tradition that requires the bride and groom to include the others’ brothers and/or sisters in his or her half of the bridal party, though of course, it’s considered traditional throughout most of the country. I double checked our friend Emily Post to be sure, and she only says, “You aren’t required to ask siblings, though it certainly promotes family unity.” I would tend to agree with her there.

There’s also no etiquette rule that places a cap on the number of bridesmaids, or says that the groomsmen and bridal party have to be equal in number. (And as someone who had a bridal party the size of a professional football team, I can attest to a large party being the right decision for some!) So if your relationship with your future sisters-in-laws isn’t bad, I’d say go ahead and ask them (they might decline, after all!), but also ask the friends and family members you originally intended to ask. Honestly, these gals are going to be your family for a long time to come, so unless they’d truly make you miserable, I’d go ahead and ask them to participate. The good news is that this time together will allow you a chance to get to know them better!

Since it sounds like you haven’t had a lot of quality time with them, perhaps the other option is to approach them about participating in the wedding in a different role, if they would rather. Given the limited interactions, they might feel more comfortable being a reader or greeter? Whatever you decide, I’d encourage you to talk it over with your groom and make sure you’re both on board — you and he will be making lots of decisions over the next few years around when and how extended family will be incorporated into your new family, so this is a great place to start the conversation.

Belles, what do you think? I know that many of you past and current brides have faced similar situations with wedding parties and family. Any other ideas for how to handle including family members from your new family into your wedding day?

P.S. Have your own etiquette challenge? Feel free to email Emily!

kristin Written with love by Kristin
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  1. avatar Alyssa reply

    I’m not a huge fan of the “family wedding party” additions, myself. Honestly, just because I have 2 brothers, I didn’t expect my fiance to automatically put them in his wedding party. I think the tradition is a bit archaic. We actually made the decision to NOT include any brothers/sisters in our wedding parties, as we’ve learned that family members are the biggest source of wedding drama and issues.

    Put people in your wedding that mean the MOST to you, the people who you treasure and love most. If one of those people happens to be your fiance’s siblings, great. Its your wedding, and you should include the people you want, not the people you feel obligated to include. You’ll be much happier in the long run :-)

  2. avatar Diane reply

    About family being in the wedding party. I just had this situation arise. We had only been engaged about a month, when my fiance’s mother asked about the rehearsal dinner (she is paying) and who would come. I didn’t say her daughter and sister-n-law because I hdan’t included them in the wedding party. She was hurt and thought it was not a good way to stat out. I have friends whom have been in my life for 15+ years and we wanted to keep the party small. So I asked his sister and her soon to be here baby to be an honoray bridesmaid and honoray ringbearer and the brother in law to walk in the mom. The result, no hurt feelings. :)

  3. avatar Lauren reply

    My cousin had a similar issue, though in her case, her groom didn’t feel he had a close enough relationship with her brothers to ask them to be groomsmen and the brothers were a bit surprised at how early in their relationship the engagement came. So, the groom didn’t ask them, which ended up hurting both her brothers and the bride’s parents, who wanted to see all their children at the altar when their baby girl said, “I do.” Ultimately, and after more than a few tears, the brothers were asked to be groomsmen, and they graciously accepted. I can say for certain that things would have gone much more smoothly if the groom had simply taken that opportunity to get to know his future brothers-in-law better and not hesitated in asking.
    The extra tuxes cost far less than the headaches!

  4. avatar Lerissa reply

    Yes! This is the best answer!

    Family is forever you don’t want to shake that bond or else you will spend the rest of your life together regretting it. I would take the heeded warning from the fiancé especially since it seems that effort have been made to create that family bond.

  5. avatar Jewel reply

    My fiance has two sisters. I asked one of them to be a bridesmaid simply because I know her better. We were good friends in high school, and she actually set my fiance and I up. After her brother and I started dating, things between us got a little rocky, but they have improved little by little over the years. I saw asking her to be a bridesmaid as a way of extending an olive branch between us, in hopes that we can better our relationship, seeing as how we’re going to (finally) be family now! I didn’t ask his other sister to be a bridesmaid. I’d only met her once, and she lived apart from the the family for about 8 out of the past 10 years. And as far as I can tell, there’s no hard feelings on her side about not being a maid. She has two really young daughters and definitely seems like the type who would feel more comfortable tending to them during the wedding events.

  6. avatar Shelby reply

    This is a tough one. I firmly believe that your bridesmaids should be the people you want to surround your self with (not only on your wedding day, but also during the wedding planning!). However, I do think family is extremely important because her fiance wouldn’t be who he is without his sisters in his life. I think the best thing is to find a balance. She could find a meaningful way to include the girls in her wedding, whether its doing a reading together or saying a sweet speech about their brother growing up. They don’t necessarily need to be her maids! The important thing is to let the girls know how important they are to her and her fiance, and how excited she is to have them be a part of their wedding.

  7. avatar Whitney reply

    My groom has 2 older sisters. They’re most definitely not numbered among my bridesmaids – can you imagine taking them on your bachelorette or having them at a lingerie shower? If not, you aren’t close enough for them to be your bridesmaids, I think. Ask them to be honorary bridesmaids, maybe – not sure what your colors are, but ask them to wear a dress in a neutral, easy to find color, and give them monogrammed pashminas in the same color as the bridesmaids and small bouquets. I am asking my future sisters-in-law to be greeters. I felt like that placed them front and center enough so folks would know I’m still happy to have them in the family.

    You just have to find a way to include them that makes everyone comfortable. I am sure they don’t *want* to be your bridesmaids, because they know what a pain it is to be a bridesmaid – so much that you should only do it for a good friend! – and they probably don’t think you’re closer friends than you believe. You just need to give them a way to feel like they weren’t slighted. It would be better to be proactive about figuring it out and calling to ask, so that they feel it was “part of the plan” and not just something you did to throw them a bone.

  8. avatar Cameron Smith reply

    I have three brothers and my fiance only has one sister. Needless to say, it was a little unfair for him ;) We met and currently live in Colorado, so Jordan (fiance) hasn’t had the time to get to know my brothers very well at all.
    Having been raised in the South, and getting married in the South, it wasn’t odd for me to think to include my siblings and his sibling in our wedding party. How I approached it was, it was important for me to have my brothers stand beside us, as it was important for him to have his sister a part of the wedding. Yes, my brothers are groomsmen, but not because they are best buds with my fiance…but because they are my brothers and it means something to me. I also have friends that I have known for 20+ years now, and they are standing beside me along with my future sister-in-law…whom I will know for another 20+ in the future :)
    You could always give them another part in the wedding such as reading scripture, or a literature passage that means a lot to you. I’m honoring one of my girls that way, and Jordan is having one of his guys sing in our wedding. Still honored, but don’t have to be in the wedding.
    Sisters and brothers may decline, but it’s always polite to ask….and may help the new relationship with the extended families start off on the right foot :)

  9. avatar Cameron Smith reply

    Oh also, both our siblings declined the bachelor/bachelorette festivities… so they were honored, but really only wanted to be included in the actual wedding!

  10. avatar Alice reply

    This was a very big issue for my side of the family when planning our wedding. My husband had never met my brother until the day of the rehearsal. My brother lives several states away, I see him only about every other year, and we are honestly not that close. When my husband and brother did have the opportunity to meet (before we got engaged), my brother declined. This upset both my husband and I very much, so when the time came for my husband to pick his groomsmen, it was almost a no-brainer that my brother would not be asked, but instead, we were going to ask him to read scripture during the ceremony. This was NOT acceptable to my mother; she wanted him in the actual wedding party. Mom and I shed countless tears before finally we gave in to the peer pressure and asked him to be a groomsman (and this was months after my husband asked his other guys). My brother happily said Yes, they met at the rehearsal, and our wedding day went off without a hitch. Looking back, it really did not make a difference in the grand scheme of things…we were getting married, regardless of who our bridesmaid and groomsmen were, and we just wanted our families to be happy. To be truthful, I will always remember what a headache the wedding etiquette was for our family, and since they held the purse strings, they do get a say in the decisions. Keep in mind a wedding is not just about the uniting of two people, but the uniting of two families lasting the rest of your lives. Ask yourself if wedding party is a fight worth fighting over, or if a simple arrangement on your part can mean another’s happiness.

  11. avatar Lauren reply

    I am getting married in a little less than a month. Out of tradition, I made my sister my maid of honor. She is younger (thankfully just turned 21) and originally we weren’t super close but the wedding has definitely brought us closer together…she really took things seriously and stepped up to the plate!
    My mom really wanted my brother to be a groomsmen, so my fiancé agreed. However, that made my fiancé then also feel obligated to ask his brother to not only be in the bridal party, but to be the best man. His brother is 15 years older and they are not very close as his brother is a bit immature despite the age gap. His brother did not really step up to the plate at all and is basically only walking down the aisle the day of the wedding. But, the rest of the groomsmen including my brother are people my fiancé feels close too.
    So basically, including family can work out better than expected, worse than expected whatever. But honestly it is just a day and I think it’s worth it to keep the family happy. As long as no one’s going to wreck havoc at the shower, bachelorette or on the wedding day throw ’em in there. Don’t be offended if they skip stuff like showers or bachelor/bachelorettes (being quiet and unseen is better than starting a fight or attending and being a downer). At the end of the day, you and your hubby is what’s important!

  12. avatar Lauren @ Chocolate, Cheese and Wine reply

    I think that if you don’t have a close relationship with his sisters, then you don’t need to include them in the wedding party, but it would be nice to try to include them in the wedding, somehow.

  13. avatar Lauren reply

    We included our 3 siblings in the wedding party – my sister and his sister as bridesmaids, his brother as a groomsman. It worked out perfectly, for a total wedding party of 14 – which is a little large, but very Southern :) We’re both very close with our families, so it was wonderful to be able to include them.

  14. avatar Kori reply

    You are not only marrying the man but his family! I was thrilled years ago when my brother’s fiance asked me to be a bridesmaid even though we weren’t that close yet. And when I got married this past year she was in my bridal party! I think of her as my sister now! And of course I included my husband’s sister and my brother was a groomsman as well as his brother. We talked about it when making our decisions and felt like family was most important. Betsy’s case is a little more difficult, but if it’s going to help the relationship why not? I agree that even including them in some way such as reading scripture is very meaningful to both sides.

  15. avatar Abby reply

    I was in this situation with my brother and sister-in-law from the non-bride side of things. My sister-in-law was struggling with her bridal party and at one point was thinking about not even including her OWN sister as a bridesmaid. Because of this, I told them that if she wasn’t including her sister, they didn’t have to worry about asking me as well. I didn’t realize when I said this how hurtful it turned out being. She ended up having 6 maids (including her sister), but did not ask me – to be frank, I felt very left out.

    At the wedding, they found the sweetest way to include me! I was asked to be a witness, so I got to stand up there next to my brother while they were doing their vows. I will say… it was not pretty at the time, but in the end was really special.

  16. avatar Mechelle reply

    When you leave siblings out, you risk hurting their feelings as well as your new in-laws feelings. When we found out our only daughter would not be asked to be in our only son’s wedding we were all hurt, confused, and saddened. So, yes, you don’t ‘have’ to include anyone, but, trust me, if you care about your new family at all, then don’t start out this way.

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Southern Etiquette posts remain some of our most popular to date, so after a brief hiatus, I’m happy to say they’re back! You can expect one a month from here on out. By far the most common query I get is about bridal showers and the etiquette surrounding them. It seems like the basic etiquette is understood, but there are an endless number of slightly different “situations” hosts and honorees find themselves in (and like to email me about). Let’s take a look at one recent note from a mother of the bride, Dea:

My daughter is newly engaged to a boy who grew up in the small town to which we moved about four years ago. His parents grew up here as well. The moment their engagement was made public, several women at our mutual church volunteered to be shower hostesses, which is a part of the local generous Southern tradition.

Between the couple, they have over 80 family members who will be invited to the wedding. This includes siblings, parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins. They want to limit the wedding to that group and a dozen or so close friends, most of whom will be members of the wedding party.

Should my daughter decline the offers of these women to host a shower, since they will not be invited to the wedding? The groom’s mother feels that the appropriate solution is to have a 300 – 400 person guest list, including people neither the bride nor groom really know, but this is not only outside the limits of our financial ability, it is also not what the bride and groom want for their special day.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this matter!

Dea

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I think the situation Dea is describing is extremely common in the South. (Feel free to agree or disagree in the comments!) I am with Dea that the appropriate solution is not to invite 300-400 people to the wedding if that’s not what the couple wants or what is in the cards financially. There is never an excuse to go into debt for a wedding, and while family opinions should be given considerate weight by the bride and groom, they should never be pressured into an event with which they’re not comfortable.

I think the first step is to offer the gracious potential hostesses an effusive thank you. Then, make it clear to them that the couple is planning a small wedding and that a traditional shower might not be the most appropriate choice. If they still insist on hosting, I actually think that’s just fine and a lovely gesture, but I would consider calling the event something like a “luncheon in honor of the bride” or a “meet the bride breakfast” instead of a shower, and I would insist on no gifts.

In lieu of gifts, you could ask each guest to bring a favorite recipe for the bride. Or, since it sounds like most guests have known the groom for most of his life, they could each write out a favorite or funny memory from his childhood, a volume I’m sure any bride would cherish!

Belles, what do you think? What would you advise in this situation? Any other ideas for a non-gift shower?

P.S. Have your own etiquette conundrum? Feel free to email me!

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  1. avatar Alicia reply

    I have to disagree. My husband and I both grew up in Tennessee. Our home churches BOTH gave us bridal teas/showers before our wedding. Very few of the people who came to the tea/shower were invited to the wedding. They were both the kind of event where it was announced in the Sunday bulletin as an open invitation for whoever wanted to come and it was a come and go type of thing. It’s just an accepted practice here that the churches give a shower/tea and that all are invited (whether by formal invitation or a group one in a bulletin). I will say though that there were more invited to the wedding from my church than my husbands….just because the wedding was at my church and my husbands home church was almost 2 hours away.

  2. avatar Hayley reply

    I ran into this exact same problem! My fiance is from a very small Tennessee town and the town basically raised him! While I would love to invite all of his townsfolk to the wedding- it would be close to 300 people and we want to keep our wedding relatively small. We have decided to do an evening themed “party” which will be more of a cookout to meet everyone and celebrate our upcoming nutials! I am so glad to hear it isn’t just me with this problem! :)

  3. avatar Maggie Goodell reply

    A polite “thank you” with a decline seems the most appropriate. I too believe that weddings should reflect what the bride and groom prefer. Inviting extra people the couple doesn’t know, or don’t know well, can be awkward and distracting.

  4. avatar Dee Shore reply

    I agree 200% with you Emily. Inviting everyone and their mother is not financially smart. I’m from NYC so I know first hand that the average per plate here is about $150-$200. I’m sure in the South, though cheaper, I don’t think it differs by much. Also, keep in mind that not everyone gives a monetary gift, and it’s rare to get back every cent you’re spending. Now as per the shower, since they all seem to be eager to help, let them and do a ladies pot luck brunch at the church. This way all feelings are spared and everyone takes part of the union some way.

  5. avatar Liz reply

    I just got married a little over a month ago and had this same scenario pop up during our engagement. Both my husband and I are from small towns with sweet churches that we grew up in. For us, we knew it was poor etiquette since not everyone was invited to the wedding and went ahead with home church showers anyways. I think a “simple thank you” would’ve offended the women trying to host the shower, as well as more of the church members. Sometimes, even though things are “proper” etiquette, you just have to go with Southern rules and send nice thank you cards!

  6. avatar Maddison reply

    Maybe have the shower after the wedding.

  7. avatar Lauren reply

    I guess I’m definitely a southern girl. I loved the fact that my small church wanted to throw me a shower. In my mind, this is their way of celebrating with us since most won’t be invited to the wedding. Same goes for my office. Although I’ve recently accepted a new position elsewhere, they insisted on hosting a wedding shower before my last day.

  8. avatar lisa reply

    I am recently married and we ran into the same problem. We have large extended families and many friends, however we wanted a small wedding, mostly due to finances and not wanting to go into debt. However, we had two engagement parties that our parents hosted and invited all of our friends and family. Therefore, we invited them to our showers. Several of my MIL’s friends wanted to host and attend b/c they care for her and her family.
    Southern Weddings have changed. They used to be simple and receptions held in church fellowship halls or sometimes at someone’s home, therefore they were not expensive and everyone could attend.
    If you have had a wedding in the last 10 years, I believe people are more understanding b/c they know the cost.

  9. avatar Fletcher reply

    I think that this happens more often than not. I love the idea of having a luncheon or afternoon tea- the hostesses are pleased that they are giving the party but there is no pressure for gifts!

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Yesterday’s lovely bridal shower inspiration inspired me to dust off one of my favorite Southern Weddings features: our Southern Etiquette column!

I had just the query, one that came in from a lovely mother of the bride (oh, how we love that mothers read our blog, too!). Here it is:

Hello, Emily,

I read your post about not inviting people to showers who are not invited to weddings, which agrees with my personal opinion and everything else I find on the same topic, but I want to ask the same question again with my own twist, as I am not completely sure if this principle applies in every situation.

My daughter is newly engaged to a boy who grew up in the small town to which we moved about four years ago. His parents grew up here, as well. The moment their engagement was made public, several women at our mutual church volunteered to be shower hostesses, which is a part of the local generous Southern tradition.

Between the couple, they have over 80 family members who will be invited to the wedding. This includes siblings, parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins. They want to limit the wedding to that group and a dozen or so close friends, most of whom will be members of the wedding party.

Should my daughter decline the offers of these women to host a shower, since they will not be invited to the wedding? The groom’s mother feels that the appropriate solution is to have a 300 – 400 person guest list, including people neither the bride nor groom really know, but this is not only outside the limits of our financial ability, it is also not what the bride and groom want for their special day.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this matter!

Mother-of-the-Bride

A perfectly Southern table setting, courtesy of Katie Rivers

I think the dilemma of the “church shower” is both very common and uniquely Southern (i.e. I had never heard of this predicament before I moved South, but have since heard of it several times!). A strong church family is such a wonderful thing to have in your life, but it can make things like shower and wedding guest list planning complicated. Hence, why most Southerners don’t bat an eyelash upon hearing about a 400, 500, or 600 person guest list!

However, a monster guest list is not the solution for every bride, and does not sound like the solution in this case. So, if inviting the church ladies to the wedding and allowing them to host a shower is not the answer, what is?

I think the first step is to make it clear to the would-be hostesses that the couple is planning a small wedding and that a traditional shower might not be the most appropriate choice (while you’re at it, get the MOG on board, too, so she can help spread the word discreetly!).

If they still insist on hosting an event, I actually think that’s just fine, and a lovely gesture. I’m sure it’s one borne out of genuine love for the bride and groom! However, I would guide them towards calling it something besides a “bridal shower” — perhaps a “luncheon in honor of the bride” or a “meet the bride breakfast.” I would also insist on no gifts, and make sure that that’s clearly printed in the invitation. That way, the focus will be on surrounding the bride with love and support, and the risk for hurt feelings should be greatly minimized!

Ladies, I would LOVE to hear what y’all think – is this a situation you’ve run up against? What would you do if you were faced with this situation? Would you allow a traditional shower to be held, take a middle road like I’ve suggested, or insist on none at all? I would LOVE to hear your thoughts!

P.S. Have a etiquette query of your own? Feel free to shoot me an email!

P.P.S. Past etiquette conundrums:
Tipping wedding vendors
Wedding rings for men
Formal invitations – necessary?
Clapping at the recessional

emily Written with love by Emily
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  1. avatar Michele reply

    I belong to a very large church family and want to share one way that this situation has been tastefully handled by several families. Everyone in the church is invited to the wedding- sometimes an invitation is in the church bulletin- and a private, invitation-only reception is held at another location a few hours later. Some of the families, typically those who are on staff at the church, will have a simple cookie and punch reception for everyone immediately after the ceremony.

    • avatar Emily reply

      Hi Michele! My sister did something similar for her wedding, and it worked out great! She was getting married on a small island with a tight-knit community, and we wanted to invite everyone to the ceremony but couldn’t have everyone at the reception. We had lemonade and cookies directly following the ceremony at the ceremony site, and then the reception started about an hour later at a different location.

  2. avatar Britt reply

    We had a church shower at my husband’s parent’s church close to the wedding- it is a small, tight-knit church family. We had already sent invitations out and everything, so it was already known that most of the people in the church were not invited to the wedding ceremony or reception. That group of families loves supporting each other, though, so they really wanted to have a shower and give gifts even knowing they weren’t invited to the ceremony or reception. We had a good ol’ fashioned church potluck with lots of visiting and well-wishing followed by lots of fun opening gifts with lots of “oohs” and “aahs” it was so much fun, laid back, and there was never any expectation or pressure of any sort from anyone to be invited. Everyone just wanted to celebrate with us! So I guess it depends on your group!

    • avatar Emily reply

      Agreed, Britt! I think this is probably how most church groups feel!

  3. avatar Dianna reply

    My fiance and are counting down the days 18 to go, and we’ve just finished up ALLLLLL the showers. Both of the churches we grew up in insisted on have a shower for us. We were even very open to let them know that our wedding was strictly immediate family only. It was still a must though. It’s just their way of showing their love and excitement for someone they’ve watched grow up. It was just announced the Sunday before and we did a drop-in for each church with cake and punch. It was a nice way for people to be able to talk to you outside of the Sunday handshaking after church. We enjoyed them and looking back I’m glad we allowed them to shower us, not only with gifts, but love.

  4. avatar Janna reply

    There were people who had watched my husband grow up in our small church and has insisted on throwing us a church shower- we also worked with the youth in our church and all of them were excited to see us married but adding an additional 30 teenagers to our guest list wasn’t very feasible, and financially and personally we both really wanted a smaller wedding and reception. We ended up agreeing on doing a cake and punch reception at the life center of our church. Our dinner reception started about an hour later at a different location. It worked wonderfully for us and allowed us to be able to include many people who wanted to be there to celebrate with us and still allowed us to have the smaller more intimate reception like we wanted as well.

  5. avatar Kristen reply

    My MOH had this same dilemma. Her father is the pastor of their baptist church in NC, and the congregation knew Emily since she was four months old. However, her reception venue capped at 150 (which is really a blessing in disguise!). So, they opted to have a pre-wedding cake and punch reception the week before the wedding at the church for everyone who wanted to wish the couple well. Then, they sent out the traditional ceremony invitations to everyone, and the “reception immediately after” cards were included with only the guests invited to the reception the evening of the wedding. So the church was packed with guests, the reception had a controlled amount of people, and the folks were able to greet the couple properly. A triple win!

    Needless to say, she did have a church ladies shower as well, and those women were pleased as punch to host it for her.

    Don’t let anyone strong-arm you into a mega-reception if you don’t want one!

  6. avatar Maggie reply

    I am 65 and going to a 5:30 wedding in February. Any attire suggestions? I would really rather wear dressy crepe pants with something, but what, and is that appropriate.

    THANKS1

  7. avatar Claudia Cables reply

    I’m the MOB and I just found out the MOG already purchase the gown she is going to wear for my daughter’s wedding, without consulting me about style, color etc. How should I handled this situation?

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